From drugs to help you avoid eating meat to genetically engineered cat-like eyes to reduce the need for lighting, a wild interview about changes humans could make to themselves to battle climate change.
The threat of global climate change has prompted us to redesign
many of our technologies to be more energy-efficient. From lightweight
hybrid cars to long-lasting LED's, engineers have made well-known
products smaller and less wasteful. But tinkering with our tools will
only get us so far, because however smart our technologies become, the
human body has its own ecological footprint, and there are more of them
than ever before. So, some scholars are asking, what if we could
engineer human beings to be more energy efficient? A new paper to be published in Ethics, Policy & Environment proposes a series of biomedical modifications that could help humans, themselves, consume less.
Some
of the proposed modifications are simple and noninvasive. For instance,
many people wish to give up meat for ecological reasons, but lack the
willpower to do so on their own. The paper suggests that such
individuals could take a pill that would trigger mild nausea upon the
ingestion of meat, which would then lead to a lasting aversion to
meat-eating. Other techniques are bound to be more controversial. For
instance, the paper suggests that parents could make use of genetic
engineering or hormone therapy in order to birth smaller, less
resource-intensive children.
The lead author
of the paper, S. Matthew Liao, is a professor of philosophy and
bioethics at New York University. Liao is keen to point out that the
paper is not meant to advocate for any particular human modifications,
or even human engineering generally; rather, it is only meant to
introduce human engineering as one possible, partial solution to climate
change. He also emphasized the voluntary nature of the proposed
modifications. Neither Liao or his co-authors, Anders Sandberg and
Rebecca Roache of Oxford, approve of any coercive human engineering;
they favor modifications borne of individual choices, not technocratic
mandates. What follows is my conversation with Liao about why he thinks
human engineering could be the most ethical and effective solution to
global climate change.
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Judging from your paper, you seem skeptical about current
efforts to mitigate climate change, including market based solutions
like carbon pricing or even more radical solutions like geoengineering.
Why is that?
Liao: It's not
that I don't think that some of those solutions could succeed under the
right conditions; it's more that I think that they might turn out to be
inadequate, or in some cases too risky. Take market solutions---so far
it seems like it's pretty difficult to orchestrate workable
international agreements to affect international emissions trading. The
Kyoto Protocol, for instance, has not produced demonstrable reductions
in global emissions, and in any event demand for petrol and for
electricity seems to be pretty inelastic. And so it's questionable
whether carbon taxation alone can deliver the kind of reduction that we
need to really take on climate change.
With respect to geoengineering, the worry is that it's just too risky---many
of the technologies involved have never been attempted on such a large
scale, and so you have to worry that by implementing these techniques we
could endanger ourselves or future generations. For example it's been
suggested that we could alter the reflectivity of the atmosphere using
sulfate aerosol so as to turn away a portion of the sun's heat, but it
could be that doing so would destroy the ozone layer, which would
obviously be problematic. Others have argued that we ought to fertilize
the ocean with iron, because doing so might encourage a massive bloom of
carbon-sucking plankton. But doing so could potentially render the
ocean inhospitable to fish, which would obviously also be quite
problematic.
One human engineering strategy
you mention is a kind of pharmacologically induced meat intolerance.
You suggest that humans could be given meat alongside a medication that
triggers extreme nausea, which would then cause a long-lasting aversion
to meat eating. Why is it that you expect this could have such a
dramatic impact on climate change?
Liao: There is a widely cited U.N. Food and Agricultural
Organization report that estimates that 18% of the world's greenhouse
gas emissions and CO2 equivalents come from livestock farming, which is
actually a much higher share than from transportation. More recently
it's been suggested that livestock farming accounts for as much as 51%
of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. And then there are estimates
that as much as 9% of human emissions occur as a result of deforestation
for the expansion of pastures for livestock. And that doesn't even to
take into account the emissions that arise from manure, or from the
livestock directly. Since a large portion of these cows and other
grazing animals are raised for consumption, it seems obvious that
reducing the consumption of these meats could have considerable
environmental benefits.
Even a minor 21% to
24% reduction in the consumption of these kinds of meats could result in
the same reduction in emissions as the total localization of food
production, which would mean reducing "food miles" to zero. And, I think
it's important to note that it wouldn't necessarily need to be a pill.
We have also toyed around with the idea of a patch that might stimulate
the immune system to reject common bovine proteins, which could lead to a
similar kind of lasting aversion to meat products.
Your
paper also discusses the use of human engineering to make humans
smaller. Why would this be a powerful technique in the fight against
climate change?
Liao: Well
one of the things that we noticed is that human ecological footprints
are partly correlated with size. Each kilogram of body mass requires a
certain amount of food and nutrients and so, other things being equal,
the larger person is the more food and energy they are going to soak up
over the course of a lifetime. There are also other, less obvious ways
in which larger people consume more energy than smaller people---for
example a car uses more fuel per mile to carry a heavier person, more
fabric is needed to clothe larger people, and heavier people wear out
shoes, carpets and furniture at a quicker rate than lighter people, and
so on.
And so size reduction could be one way
to reduce a person's ecological footprint. For instance if you reduce
the average U.S. height by just 15cm, you could reduce body mass by 21%
for men and 25% for women, with a corresponding reduction in metabolic
rates by some 15% to 18%, because less tissue means lower energy and
nutrient needs.
(Dr. Matthew Liao, above)
What are the various ways humans could be engineered to be smaller?
Liao:
There are a couple of ways, actually. You might try to do it through a
technique called preimplantation genetic diagnosis, which is already
used in IVF settings in fertility clinics today. In this scenario you'd
be looking to select which embryos to implant based on height.
Another
way to affect height is to use a hormone treatment to trigger the
closing of the epiphyseal plate earlier than normal---this sometimes
happens by accident in vitamin overdose cases. In fact hormone
treatments are already used for height reduction in overly tall
children. A final way you could do this is by way of gene imprinting, by
influencing the competition between maternal and paternal genes, where
there is a height disparity between the mother and father. You could
have drugs that reduce or increase the expression of paternal or
maternal genes in order to affect birth height.
Isn't it ethically problematic to allow parents to make these kinds of irreversible choices for their children?
Liao:
That's a really good question. First, I think it's useful to
distinguish between selection and modification. With selection you don't
really have the issue of irreversible choices because the embryo
selected can't complain that she could have been otherwise---if the
parents had selected a different embryo, she wouldn't have existed at
all. In the case of modification, that issue could certainly arise, but
even then I think it's important to step back and ask why we are looking
at these solutions in the first place. The reason we are even
considering these solutions is to prevent climate change, which is a
really serious problem, and which might affect the well being of
millions of people including the child. And so in that context, if on
balance human engineering is going to promote the well being of that
particular child, then you might be able to justify the solution to the
child.
In the paper you also discuss the
pharmacological enhancement of empathy and altruism, because empathy and
altruism tend to be highly correlated with positive attitudes toward
the environment. To me this one seems like it might be the most
troubling. Isn't it more problematic to do biological tinkering to
produce a belief, rather than simply engineering humans so that they are
better equipped to implement their beliefs?
Liao: Yes. It's certainly ethically problematic to insert
beliefs into people, and so we want to be clear that's not something
we're proposing. What we have in mind has more to do with weakness of
will. For example, I might know that I ought to send a check to Oxfam,
but because of a weakness of will I might never write that check. But if
we increase my empathetic capacities with drugs, then maybe I might
overcome my weakness of will and write that check.
Let
me push you a little on that. The Oxfam example is a clean fit for your
argument, but might it be the case that drugs of this sort---empathy
increasing drugs---would cause people to generate entirely new beliefs,
rather than simply mitigating issues having to do with weakness of will.
Liao:
It's conceivable, yes, and to be clear, if that's the case that
wouldn't be something that we would advocate. We are interested only in
voluntary modifications, and we certainly don't want to implant beliefs
into anyone. But even then, those beliefs might still be considered
yours if they arise from a kind of ramping up of your existing
capacities, and so perhaps that could obviate that problem.
I
suppose there are already drugs that might be belief-inducing. You
might think that antidepressants induce new beliefs about self worth, or
about the personalities of other people.
Liao:
That's right. That's a great analogy. If you're very pessimistic about
the world, and you take a drug that will cause you to develop a more
positive outlook, then in some sense those are beliefs that you already
desired. In a case like that the ethical issues might fall away on
account of the fact that you previously desired those beliefs, and that
you're aware of the consequences of taking the drug. We would want as
much transparency as possible with these technologies so that people are
aware of the consequences of using them, and that includes
empathy-increasing drugs, which, if they had the kind of effects you're
suggesting, would require warning labels at a minimum.
In your paper you suggest that some human engineering solutions may actually be liberty enhancing. How so?
Liao: That's right. It's been suggested that, given the
seriousness of climate change, we ought to adopt something like China's
one child policy. There was a group of doctors in Britain who recently
advocated a two-child maximum. But at the end of the day those are crude
prescriptions---what we really care about is some kind of fixed
allocation of greenhouse gas emissions per family. If that's the case,
given certain fixed allocations of greenhouse gas emissions, human
engineering could give families the choice between two medium sized
children, or three small sized children. From our perspective that would
be more liberty enhancing than a policy that says "you can only have
one or two children." A family might want a really good basketball
player, and so they could use human engineering to have one really large
child.
("We figured that if everyone had cat eyes, you wouldn't need so much lighting")
I have to push back a little on that point. It seems like those
human engineering techniques would be liberty enhancing only in a
context in which there were some severe liberty constraint that doesn't
exist now. Is there another way these techniques might be liberty
enhancing?
Liao: Well, again,
I would return to the weakness of will consideration. If you crave
steak, and that craving prevents you from making a decision you
otherwise want to make, in some sense your inability to control yourself
is a limit on the will, or a limit on your liberty. A meat patch would
allow you to truly decide whether you want to have that steak or not,
and that could be quite liberty enhancing.
Your
paper focuses on human engineering techniques that are relatively safe.
Did your research lead you to any interesting techniques that were
unsafe?
Liao: Actually, yes,
although unfortunately the science is not there yet---we looked into cat
eyes, the technique of giving humans cat eyes or of making their eyes
more catlike. The reason is, cat eyes see nearly as well as human eyes
during the day, but much better at night. We figured that if everyone
had cat eyes, you wouldn't need so much lighting, and so you could
reduce global energy usage considerably. Maybe even by a shocking
percentage.
But, again, this isn't something we
know how to do yet, although it's possible there might be some way to
do it with genetics---there are some primates with eyes that are very
similar to cat eyes, and so possibly we could study those primates and
figure out which genes are responsible for that trait, and then
hopefully activate those genes in humans. But that's very speculative
and requires a lot of research.
Some critics are likely to see these techniques as inappropriately interfering with human nature. What do you say to them?
Liao:
Well, first, I would say that the view that you shouldn't interfere
with human nature at all is too strong. For instance, giving women
epidurals when they're giving birth is in some sense interfering with
human nature, but it's generally welcomed. Also, when people worry about
interfering with human nature, they generally worry about interfering
for the wrong reasons. But because we believe that mitigating climate
change can help a great many people, we see human engineering in this
context as an ethical endeavor, and so that objection may not apply.
In
your paper you argue that some of the initial opposition to these
solutions is rooted in a particular kind of status quo bias. Can you
explain what you mean by that?
Liao: Sure. Take having smaller children for example. People
might resist this idea because they might think that there is some sort
of optimal---the average height in a given society, say. But, I think
it's worth remembering how fluid human traits like height are. A hundred
years ago people were much shorter on average, and there was nothing
wrong with them medically. And so, if people are resistant to the idea
of engineering humans to be smaller because of some notion of an optimal
height, they might be operating from a status quo bias.
Taking
a look at this from the perspective of deep ecology---is there
something to be said for the idea that because climate change is human
caused, that humans ought to be the ones that change to mitigate
it---that somehow we ought to bear the cost to fix this?
Liao:
That was actually one of the ideas that motivated us to write this
paper, the idea that we caused anthropogenic climate change, and so
perhaps we ought to bear some of the costs required to address it. But
having said that, we also want to make this attractive to people---we
don't want this to be a zero sum game where it's just a cost that we
have to bear. Many of the solutions we propose might actually be quite
desirable to people, particularly the meat patch. I recently gave a talk
about this paper at Yale and there was a man in the audience who worked
for a pharmaceuticals company; he seemed to think there might be a huge
market for modifications like this.
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